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Foxy1961
20-01-2010, 11:01 PM
I'm not ready for any yet but it's best to be prepared so any info would be very much appreciated.



Is there a standard sticker for the logo ie colours / size?



Do individual teams get their own made or are they available from another source?

nigel leyland
20-01-2010, 11:21 PM
You're team, you're choice of logo....get them made where ever you like....



However, teams that have formed since the conception of the National Network tend to use the same Orange and White rectangular "sandwich" background with their own text on it, and some teams have for various reasons have required a change in logo and have also adopted the same. Alasdair is, with the help of Mario, currently producing sets of logos for most of the teams.....can I suggest that if you think you will use the same that you ask Alasdair/Mario to sort you a set out, they will be provided in various sizes and file formats (zipped) and have the correct ratio/colours/font to match the national.



Also ask around for printers, suppliers.



Hope that's helpfull.



Nigel.

mattgreen
21-01-2010, 03:55 PM
At Peak 4x4 we have used the logo created by Hertfordshire 4x4 Response - it's orange and red chequered so looks good in vehicles. I'll dig out a copy of the master doc and post it on the forum.

Foxy1961
21-01-2010, 07:43 PM
Thanks guys! And Matt that'd be brilliant!........Very much appreciated

BobWessex
21-01-2010, 10:28 PM
There is a wide variation of team logos



The Wessex Logo incorporates the emblems of the old West Saxon Kings,



Gloucestershire and Worcestshire have a "hill" logo.



4x4 Response North East have a 'compass rose'pointing to the North East.



It is a matter for each team but as has been said many of the newer teams are taking either the sandwich or battenburg as their base.

John Potts
21-01-2010, 11:12 PM
Personally, I think the only thing that needs to be standard across the network is the 'Official' Responders' Stickers that are recognised as 'Official' by the user services.



Anything above that is just publicity or window dressing http://www.4x4response.info/forum/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

mark avo
22-01-2010, 09:26 AM
At Peak 4x4 we have used the logo created by Hertfordshire 4x4 Response - it's orange and red chequered so looks good in vehicles. I'll dig out a copy of the master doc and post it on the forum.





BHC logo is also (heavily) based on the Herts one.



As it's only 2 colour it's quite cheap to print. Idea is that when printing onto hi vis it will only need 1 colour & a black box as either the yellow or orange of the hi vis will act as 1 of the backgound colours.



If you want one I should be able to change the text ( as long as it's ok with teh management) on ours & email, let me know



Mark

http://www.bhclrc.org.uk/bhc4x4response/stuff/finallonglogoS.png

TimChilde
22-01-2010, 12:55 PM
Personally, I think the only thing that needs to be standard across the network is the 'Official' Responders' Stickers that are recognised as 'Official' by the user services.



Anything above that is just publicity or window dressing http://www.4x4response.info/forum/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif











Where i would have said the exact opposite. ¬*The only non-national thing needed is the 'local call sign / group' sticker - anything else is just window dressing.











It comes down to some people want a national group split into regions, and other want a regional group with affiliation to a national umbrella.









Of course, it's easier for me / West Mids as we had no previous identity to be worried about losing.

Simon Bentley
22-01-2010, 01:08 PM
As far as I'm concerned and I'm sure the other trustees will agree there is no common signage at all.



Some groups use callsign stickers on their vehicles - some do not.



Some groups have adopted the "Responder Stickers" available through National (or artwork to produce your own) others have not - it is hoped that over time all groups might adopt these to form a common standard but at the moment there is no requirement.

TimChilde
22-01-2010, 01:17 PM
Interestingly, and slightly connected, there is an article in this months Radcom magazine about how Raynet were unable to help during the adverse whether due to a lack of national coordination / control / stats etc. ¬*And how the user bodies expected a national framework rather than shrapnel groups here there and, in some cases, not there!









Sounded a little familiar to me.

Simon Bentley
22-01-2010, 01:34 PM
Interestingly, and slightly connected, there is an article in this months Radcom magazine about how Raynet were unable to help during the adverse whether due to a lack of national coordination / control / stats etc. ¬*And how the user bodies expected a national framework rather than shrapnel groups here there and, in some cases, not there!



Tim



This may well end up being a thread in its own right.



I think we have an advantage over Raynet in this because we have groups who's boundaries are pretty well aligned with statutory authorities, such as police authorities, Ambulance services, county councils etc. In the area covered by YL there are 10 or 20 local Raynets - though it has to be said their systems worked pretty well in response to the Cockermouth situation within hours they had plans ad staff in place for 24/7 manning of a number of stations in order to maintain comms if the critcial bridge (insert name lol) were to collapse and take the phone lines with it.

WarrenWE02
22-01-2010, 01:37 PM
Interestingly, and slightly connected, there is an article in this months Radcom magazine about how Raynet were unable to help during the adverse whether due to a lack of national coordination / control / stats etc. ¬*And how the user bodies expected a national framework rather than shrapnel groups here there and, in some cases, not there!









Sounded a little familiar to me.



A little too familiar perhaps... http://www.4x4response.info/forum/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/icon_e_sad.gif



I see one of the trustees has already voted with his feet - a great shame.

nigel leyland
22-01-2010, 01:52 PM
Tim,



It's not a matter of what people may think or persieve.....All, including the newer teams are autonomous, always have been and for sound reasons which we can go into on a dedicated thread if needs be. The National Network was set up to service the needs of the teams which are best served by one body again best dealt with elsewhere.....



How any group works has nothing to do with which logo it displays...it has to do with...well how it works!

I believe that the beginning of this year has quite clearly demonstrated that ALL the regional teams and the National Network have got it sorted correctly...unless anyone knows of an instance when the system didn't work, because I do not.



If Raynet had problems providing, I doubt changing their Logo will rectify the situation!!!



Nigel.

phil_shinyheed
22-01-2010, 05:35 PM
when i was in the army i was proud of my cap badge, other regiments had their own but my regiments badge had history and tradition that made it special, i assume other regiments felt the same about theirs



this identity was part of what made everyone work as team, traditions and history, where the regiment came from gave new members into it a sense of pride and belonging



i'm proud to be a member of 4x4 response north east, proud of what we have achieved in the past, proud of the work we have done over a number of years to help charities, doctors, and the emergency services, proud of what we have become



we did this, not national 4x4 response, but us in the north east, other teams have done the same in other areas and will be proud of what they have done too



its good that as a national group we can exchange ideas and assist other groups, but its regional teams that do the work, attend the calls, put the hours and the miles in,



new members see what we have done and want to be a part of this, they see how it helps the local community, we need to keep group identities, we need people to want to help and be apart of their local team,



one identity, one logo, one brand will destroy the history of every individual regional team



i fail to see how this can ever benefit anyone,



i believe its up to every team to choose its own logo, and entirely up to them what they choose it to be , if they choose a national looking one thats their choice, if they already have one then they may feel the same as i do



if 4x4 response north east loses its logo, loses its identity, if it forgets the past, if it forgets the hard work that was and still is being done to move the club forward then i for one will disappear from the club at the same time as the logo does



fortunately i feel confident we will never be pressured into making such a mistake, and i'm sure i'm not the only member of any team to feel like this

Paul Johns
22-01-2010, 05:40 PM
You've hit the nail on the Head, no-one is gonna make you change your Logo. http://www.4x4response.info/forum/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/icon_e_wink.gif

John Potts
22-01-2010, 06:25 PM
Very well said Phil http://www.4x4response.info/forum/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

Foxy1961
22-01-2010, 11:48 PM
Well I certainly opened up a can of words with that one!......Thanks guys all your comments will be taken on board

Tony Ferrari
22-01-2010, 11:53 PM
Mel



As mentioned the only "national" sticker in general use is this one, usually mounted in top nearside of windscreen and somewhere on the rear screen (Discoverys for instance have that handy "dip" in the bottom edge of the screen where they fit perfectly)





http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t9/MadCowPhotos/National%204x4%20Response%20Network/sticker.jpg



Im in the process of sourcing a new supply for these as we are currently out of stock.

Mike G7HEN
23-01-2010, 09:03 AM
Interestingly, and slightly connected, there is an article in this months Radcom magazine about how Raynet were unable to help during the adverse whether due to a lack of national coordination / control / stats etc. ¬*And how the user bodies expected a national framework rather than shrapnel groups here there and, in some cases, not there!









Sounded a little familiar to me.



In Yorkshire the EPO at Gold control ask RAYNET to provided 4x4 for then. They did not want us or need us to provide any communications. I past the number to Simon at LY4x4R group because they do transport and we do communication and not all our 4x4 have business insurance as this is not needed for RAYNET use.



Groups on Bad Wx service.



Numerous RAYNET groups throughout the country have been active during the recent spell of bad weather.



On Saturday, January 9th, Eastbourne and Wealdon Group were called out by the Eastbourne and Hastings Hospital Trust's Emergency Planning Officer to provide a radio operator at the local District Hospital, with a similar request to the Hastings and Rother group for the Conquest Hospital. 17 members responded to the call.



During the period between 13:10 hours and 23:12 hours over 260 messages were passed, in excess of 75 people transported with the assistance of RAYNET, including a patient with broken ankle transported home to an exposed location on the coast which meant a detour of some miles get there and back. A patient’s wife was transported to Hurstwood Park Hospital some 40 miles away to be re-united with her husband who had been transferred earlier in the day, with radio communications being maintained for most of the journey.



Operations commenced again at 0600hrs on Sunday 10th January and over the next 17 hours, over 300 messages were passed in support of operations and a further 80 staff members were transported to and from the hospital. The group was assisted in its task by other organisations with 4x4 vehicles.



Don’t believe ever thing you read in Radcom

BobWessex
23-01-2010, 09:38 AM
I think, that there will be a few false or inaccurate stories floating around after this winter; some good and some bad.



For instance I know of one report that a team near me wouldn't turn out - they had no-one left to deploy. I was also thanked for the work one of our members did near Minehead. The only snag is we didn't deploy to that area.



The main thing is that in the majority of areas all voluntary agencies pulled together to ensure that the important services were maintained.

Tony Ferrari
23-01-2010, 12:05 PM
Sounds just like last February



In a meeting at work I was thanked by my director for helping out with the transport of District Nurses (My day job is with a PCT for those who don't know).



Funny thing was it wasn't us and to this day I still don't know who did transport them?

Simon-Loughborough
23-01-2010, 03:37 PM
Hi when we do get some natioanl stickers yes please



thank you

Simon

LE01





Sounds just like last February



In a meeting at work I was thanked by my director for helping out with the transport of District Nurses (My day job is with a PCT for those who don't know).



Funny thing was it wasn't us and to this day I still don't know who did transport them?

Tony Ferrari
23-01-2010, 05:11 PM
Still in the process of trying to find a good reliable source that gets the quality we want at the right price.



Will hopefully be able to post news soon.



Tony

robin-baldwin
23-01-2010, 10:33 PM
In Rover Rescue we have always tried to ensure that all our members have a RAYNET connector (2 pin non-reversible power supply) fitted so that we can act as transport for RAYNET operators when necessary. All they need is a guttermount aerial (or mag mount on Disco or RR) to set up in our vehicles. When I first joined we were even issued with a gutter mount 1/4 wave aerial and I still have mine and carry it as a reserve.

TimChilde
23-01-2010, 10:35 PM
¬*When I first joined we were even issued with a gutter mount 1/4 wave aerial and I still have mine and carry it as a reserve.



In the spirit of ham radio, I made my 1/4 wave gutter mount out of a coat hanger¬* http://www.4x4response.info/forum/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/icon_mrgreen.gif

Pete Chambers
24-01-2010, 09:51 PM
and i modified the original radio ariel, changed the feeder to it to rg58, and tuned it to length, scored it for future reference and that was nice and easy, cheap and covert lol and it works a treat

Patrick Molloy
25-01-2010, 10:59 AM
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Hi Tony. I use www.wheel-cover.co.uk for my cover -- dedicated graphices on a 33" BFG Mud. I've used them for ten years and ultra reliable,

Talk to Fred Cutler on 01284 725582 - he's also an old off-road person. They're interested in bulk or individual orders, though they may not be able to provide the graphics the Response org needs. definitely worth a chat with.





Patrick

SE33

Tony Ferrari
25-01-2010, 08:47 PM
Thanks Pat



Cut vinyl graphics are not a problem, I need someone who can produce decent printed stickers both internal and external that are a) the right colour b ) actually stick and c) don't cost the earth http://www.4x4response.info/forum/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/icon_mrgreen.gif



It is proving remarkably difficult to get all three http://www.4x4response.info/forum/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif

Simon-Loughborough
28-01-2010, 05:40 PM
wE HAVE COME WITH ONE FOR OURSELFS ABIT LIKE THEHERTS VERSION (ROGER) HAD SOME SPARE TIME TO PLAY WHILE OUT ON THE WAVES OF THE NORTH SEA LOL



YELLOW AND ORANGE



Trouble is it is not on a jpeg so I can't add on here to show will try a photo to do the conversion



got it as a jpeg now but don't know how to put on here http://www.4x4response.info/forum/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/angry.gif



someone tell me how to add a pic please



Plus I would like to add a picture to my signiture and can't do that either http://www.4x4response.info/forum/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blink.gif must be a age thing http://www.4x4response.info/forum/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

mark avo
28-01-2010, 07:19 PM
Thanks Pat



Cut vinyl graphics are not a problem, I need someone who can produce decent printed stickers both internal and external that are a) the right colour b ) actually stick and c) don't cost the earth http://www.4x4response.info/forum/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/icon_mrgreen.gif



It is proving remarkably difficult to get all three http://www.4x4response.info/forum/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif







We've always used 'totally graphics' & have never had a problem with either quality or price.

Have a word with Pete as the club have just had a load done so he will be more up on price.



I guess sometimes you have a pay a bit more to get something worth having.

Russ laye
28-01-2010, 11:28 PM
Thanks Pat



Cut vinyl graphics are not a problem, I need someone who can produce decent printed stickers both internal and external that are a) the right colour b ) actually stick and c) don't cost the earth http://www.4x4response.info/forum/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/icon_mrgreen.gif



It is proving remarkably difficult to get all three http://www.4x4response.info/forum/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif







We've always used 'totally graphics' & have never had a problem with either quality or price.

Have a word with Pete as the club have just had a load done so he will be more up on price.



I guess sometimes you have a pay a bit more to get something worth having.





Give these guys a ring, say Russ Laye gave you their number.



My link (http://www.compugraphicdesign.co.uk/)

Tony Ferrari
29-01-2010, 10:49 PM
Thanks Pat



Cut vinyl graphics are not a problem, I need someone who can produce decent printed stickers both internal and external that are a) the right colour b ) actually stick and c) don't cost the earth http://www.4x4response.info/forum/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/icon_mrgreen.gif



It is proving remarkably difficult to get all three http://www.4x4response.info/forum/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif







We've always used 'totally graphics' & have never had a problem with either quality or price.

Have a word with Pete as the club have just had a load done so he will be more up on price.



I guess sometimes you have a pay a bit more to get something worth having.





Pete did mention them but a google search only comes up with a US Firm of the same name.



I have found mention of a Sussex based "Totally Graphic" but can't find a web site so far.

mark avo
30-01-2010, 07:39 AM
Tony,



Try TOTALLYGRAPHICS@BTCONNECT.COM but according to their ebay shop they are away at the moment http://stores.shop.ebay.com.my/Total-e-Graphics__W0QQ_armrsZ1



If you cant get thru, Terry has a direct line to them as they do all his company stickers & terry does like a sticker.



They have the copyright on the rip stickers with the text behind, also the classic 'f* up faries have struck again' plasters as well as many others.



You will have seen them at most of the land rover shows.

Tony Ferrari
30-01-2010, 11:16 AM
I can see the problem now it's Total E Graphics!

TimChilde
30-01-2010, 12:38 PM
Talking of stickers, but otherwise going a bit off topic......



I've been bought one of those humourous stickers to go in the window, but I'm struggling to find somewhere to put it. ¬*It's the long one that says 'If you can read this, please turn me over' and you put it in the window upside down.



But here's my problem;



Back window - it will overlap the heater elements. ¬*This can't be good.



Windscreen top - the normal place for Chav and Tracy stickers. Problem is on a Discovery that's the main part I look out of, so



Windscreen bottom, just above parked wipers - this would be so not in the way, all you can see through the bottom 10" of glass is bonnet - but I've got a feeling the MOT bods would have a fit. ¬*Would it be legal there?









Any ideas??



Last resort is to double line it and put it in a rear side window, but I don't want to do that if I can help it.

Tony Ferrari
30-01-2010, 03:51 PM
Most common place on a Disco is above the windscreen but I can understand if you don't want to stick it on the bodywork.



Having said that I had a Disco owners club url sticker on the paintwork above my rear door for the time I had my Disco 1 (about three years). Before I sold it I peeled it off and a quick polish is all it took to remove any sign it had been there.



As for legality I think you have to keep the area swept by the wipers clear but saying that it is impossible to fit a tax disc in the right place on a Defender without doing this.

jason naylor
31-01-2010, 10:23 AM
wE HAVE COME WITH ONE FOR OURSELFS ABIT LIKE THEHERTS VERSION (ROGER) HAD SOME SPARE TIME TO PLAY WHILE OUT ON THE WAVES OF THE NORTH SEA LOL



YELLOW AND ORANGE



Trouble is it is not on a jpeg so I can't add on here to show will try a photo to do the conversion



got it as a jpeg now but don't know how to put on here http://www.4x4response.info/forum/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/angry.gif



someone tell me how to add a pic please



Plus I would like to add a picture to my signiture and can't do that either http://www.4x4response.info/forum/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blink.gif must be a age thing http://www.4x4response.info/forum/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif





photobucket tutorial or you could use the upload attatchment at bottom of page.





http://www.ehow.com/how_2088877_use-photobucket.html

TimChilde
31-01-2010, 11:27 AM
Thanks Tony



I had assumed this was a window sticker (as they said "this is to put in you LR window") but on closer look I think it's a body work one - which changes it a little.



I'm going to see is it will fit along the read bumper - I think it may be a little long because of the rear lights in the bumper, but we'll see.



I don't like putting these on the paint as I've seen too many cars war 'ghost images' of GB stickers!!

jamie.read
31-01-2010, 12:34 PM
sorry for hijacking this thread, but does anyone have any templates of stickers that i can send to the printers for prices please?

BobWessex
31-01-2010, 01:16 PM
Not a hijack at all,



Jamie, first question is what have you decided on as a logo? If you haven't yet thought about/ decided a logo you could maybe use a local Tartan as a background.



We (national) don't provide anything other than the Orange stickers with "4x4 Response" in white.

http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t9/MadCowPhotos/National%204x4%20Response%20Network/sticker.jpg



The stickers which identify your local teams are normally made by your local sign company in which ever design you want, for instance both North East & North West teams use a compass rose, Wessex use the logo below and other teams use whatever takes their fancy.

jason naylor
31-01-2010, 01:39 PM
personally i don't think we should use '' local '' livery as we are all part of the '' national bigger picture '' therefore, considering all the recent press, we should keep this uniform as much as possible. Same as with the uniform argument, we all have bits and bobs we've done in local teams, but its not professional when looking from a national point of view.



you don't see fireman/paramedics/police using county level uniforms or logos, they go under a national brief, although split into county levels.



we should have one logo, one uniform and keep it real. then when called out, regardless of county, we'll still be recognised as part of the national unit.



theres no reason why the ****e can't hit an industrial sized fan with more than one county responding, under different colours wouldn't look very professional.

by all means have a local sticker 'AS WELL' but all standard logos should match countrywide IMO.

BobWessex
31-01-2010, 02:12 PM
Hi Jason,





The reason that teams have local logos is to identify the fact that they are local, people prefer to be members of something relatively local rather than national. Whether it be the local Mountain Rescue Team, Lifeboat crew Fire Service etc.



As far as I am aware every Police force has the word Police on their vehicles, but also identifies which force they belong to with the Force logo and also the LOCAL force website, often also with the local force "slogan".



This is the same for the NHS Ambulance service, Fire Brigade, Mountain Rescue and other organisations which are locally based but with a national identity.



That is the whole concept behind the National network, local groups speaking to local user bodies but SUPPORTED by the national network.



Just as there is no NATIONAL Police Force, or Ambulance services, but local services working to NATIONAL 'policies' interpreted for local conditions.



So it is with 4x4 Response we have local groups throughout the UK, under local control working to local users but providing mutual support to other groups AND other local charities as and when required with a commonality of purpose.



To take a local example from my area

All Police cars say POLICE we say 4x4 RESPONSE,

Avon & Somerset Police cars say on the sides Avon & Somerset Constabulary we say Wessex 4x4 Response.

Avon & Somerset cars have the web address www.avonandsomerset.police.uk (http://www.avonandsomerset.police.uk) we have the web address www.wessex4x4response.org.uk (http://www.wessex4x4response.org.uk)



Hence both Tony and I saying that we provide the recognised 4x4 response sticker, but local teams need to sort out their local stickers to identify the local team.



Avon & Somerset Police do not wear exactly the same uniform as Dorset or Gloucestershire etc, in fact not all members of the same force wear the same uniform but everyone recognises them as police because they are SIMILAR, even when one officer is in a white long sleeved shirt and the other is in a black poloshirt.



This (http://www.4x4response.info/forum/index.php?/topic/1246-clarification/) might help to explain the view of the trustees.



There is certainly no intention for "4x4 Resonse" i.e. the national network to become the governing body, or impose specific standards but we do want member groups to work together .

As we say



What ‚Äú4x4 response‚ÄĚ is not, is a governing organisation and therefore we do not aim to tell groups that they have to adopt any logos, uniforms, or equipment, although they may well choose to adopt these based on National Guidelines something that we would encourage



As trustees we aim to encourage, not force groups to come to a concensus and adopt the best practises around the country.

jamie.read
31-01-2010, 02:44 PM
cheers Bob, sort of thinking of using the "national orange/white sandwich" but saying Tayside 4x4 Response on it.

this is all, of course, subject to the outcome of the meeting. it might turn out that everyone wants an individual logo, but i like the idea of using the origonal background, just altering the text as it will give the impression of a national outfit and instilling confidence in the "user".

Foxy1961
31-01-2010, 03:42 PM
Well said Bob!



You Jason talk about not being professional. I personally don't think using the terminology like S**** on the national website looks too professional myself , then maybe I'm just old fashioned

TimChilde
31-01-2010, 04:22 PM
Well, without re-opening the can of worms - I agree both ways.



It needs to be Local - and clearly identified as such. ¬*But it also needs to be recognised Nationally - which is why my preference is for a Local Logo based on the National Logo.









And yes, Police and Ambulances are different locally, but hen I'm in London I can still tell which cars are police cars from the livery....even though it's different.



I think some groups go to far - there's at least one group on here that I couldn't recognise as anything to do with 4x4 Response, and if I can't the public won't.









But in the end it's own to the local group to make their own decision on this and go with it - whether the other groups or individuals agree or not.









I can't scroll back far enough to see the post - but someone said that the 'only thing provided was the 4x4 Response sticker'. ¬*In this instance what does "provided" mean, and how do I get mine http://www.4x4response.info/forum/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/icon_e_wink.gif

Tony Ferrari
31-01-2010, 05:54 PM
Quite an interesting discussion and also interesting to see Jason's perception that Police, Fire and Ambulance don't have County uniforms.



Of course this is a commonly held perception and is the result of similarity rather than uniformity.



However Police Services in England and Wales have only recently adopted common uniforms in the last couple of years, Ambulance Trusts are obviously now at Regional level and although they have very similar uniforms (largely green) they do have variations. East of England are shortly to switch back to white shirts from the current green.



And Fire Services are to have a new national uniform in England and Wales but this has not yet been rolled out. And of course Scotland and Northern Ireland are different.



All three of course have different vehicle liveries but I bet most people you ask would say Police Cars and Ambulances are white and fire engines are red.



Yet we all know that Police cars these days can be silver, black, dark blue, red or even electric blue in the case of the Essex Imprezas http://www.4x4response.info/forum/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif



And Ambulances are mostly yellow these days



And there are a few Fire Services that use flourescent orange vehicles.



So why do we have these perceptions?



Well largely because we remember what has been in use for many years and that imprints on our subconcious, so looks like we have a long way to go http://www.4x4response.info/forum/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/icon_mrgreen.gif



One thing we can do is if we are visiting shows this year to have a common brand when publicising ourselves. So the National schemes should predominate with local schemes taking a lesser role?



For instance which groups are these from?

mark avo
31-01-2010, 06:15 PM
Why not just collate all the local ones & that way everyone can see whats about & the newbies can blag whatever they fancy??

BobWessex
31-01-2010, 07:31 PM
I can't scroll back far enough to see the post - but someone said that the 'only thing provided was the 4x4 Response sticker'. ¬*In this instance what does "provided" mean, and how do I get mine http://www.4x4response.info/forum/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/icon_e_wink.gif





Tim 'provided' means that we source them nationally to ensure that they are all the same and then supply to local teams at cost (the last lot were 50p each) the teams then issue them to their members. By doing this as we have done for a few years now we have a atandard 4x4RESPONSE sticker, which you might say is equivalent to POLICE, FIRE, AMBULANCE, MOUNTAIN RESCUE, COASTGUARD etc i.e a simple sign that will become imprinted in the public mind.



http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t9/MadCowPhotos/National%204x4%20Response%20Network/sticker.jpg

jamie.read
31-01-2010, 08:03 PM
so, Bob correct me if i`m wrong, but you can supply us with 4x4 RESPONSE stickers? If so, how much and how much notice do you need when ordering?

BobWessex
31-01-2010, 08:31 PM
Hi Jay,



As Tony mentioned, earlier in this thread we (nationally) are currently looking for a new supplier as soon as we have the right price Tony as Treasurer will order a large quantity at which time we will be able to advise cost and delivery time. The aim as always is to keep the price as low as possible. ideally at much the same level as last time.



Tim 'provided' means that we source them nationally to ensure that they are all the same and then supply to local teams at cost (the last lot were 50p each)

TimChilde
31-01-2010, 09:23 PM
Excellent - I'll need a big pile for West Midlands. ¬*I'm sure you'll let everyone know when they're available etc.

BobWessex
31-01-2010, 09:25 PM
Absolutely. We're looking very hard at several suppliers and should be able to let you know more by the end of the week.

TimChilde
31-01-2010, 09:28 PM
Just thought - any chance of doing the same with wheel cover stickers.



ie the chevrons with the 4x4 Response logo ¬* - I'd gladly give up the regional bit to get the bulk buying discount.

BobWessex
31-01-2010, 09:51 PM
Tim talk to Simon Bentley re the wheel cover stickers, he made the ones for us in Wessex

Mick Ghost
16-02-2010, 07:11 PM
Is there any more news on these yet? We need a good pile down on the South coast ...http://www.4x4response.info/forum/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif

Tony Ferrari
18-02-2010, 11:49 AM
Mick



As with everything it seems to take an age to get the answers you need but we are at the point of choosing the supplier and placing an order.



Apologies for the delay.



Tony

Mick Ghost
27-02-2010, 11:03 PM
Okay. I'm only hastening 'cos I'm being hassled by Hants & Berks ...

Tony Ferrari
27-02-2010, 11:20 PM
Order being placed on Monday, should have them in a week or two.

Both external vinyl and internal cling stickers.

mark avo
28-02-2010, 08:34 AM
Got the Mac4x4 rips from totally graphics yesterday & they are very nice as usual.

Should anyone on the mac want one, Terry & Jason will be selling them at the start £5 each, all proceeds to Mac. Just look for big ugly blokes in a bright yellow disco.

Totally graphics donate them FOC which is rather good of them.

Mick Ghost
28-02-2010, 10:39 AM
Cheers, I'll keep an eye out ...

Patrick Molloy
04-03-2010, 06:33 PM
SOUTH EAST uses stick-ons for their vehicles. I've ordeed some magnetic ones from Vista Print
http://www.vistaprint.co.uk/vp/car_door_magnets/cardoormagnetAB1.aspx?ad=broad&mk=car+magnets&GP=3%2f3%2f2010+5%3a49%3a57+PM%2c3%2f4%2f2010+1%3a 30%3a53+PM&rd=2
to see how they look.
Given that sourcing, negotiating discounts etc is possibly under the national umbrella, is this something 'national' should do?
There's many regions and I'm pretty sure that there are many folk like me that don't want graphics stuck on their vehicles, but a removable magnetic one would be ideal

Tony Ferrari
04-03-2010, 11:47 PM
Patrick

What type of stickers were you thinking of for the doors?

We have now ordered the standard National identifier stickers:

http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t9/MadCowPhotos/National%204x4%20Response%20Network/sticker.jpg

These are 40mm x 250mm and will be available in both external vinyl and internal "cling" types.

Should be with us in the next week or so.

Locally we have sourced some Hertfordshire logos, like the ones I use on magnetic backing on my doors (I bought a roll of magnetic film of eBay quite cheaply):

http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t9/MadCowPhotos/Defender/A100.jpg

David Sparkes
05-03-2010, 08:39 AM
Patrick

What type of stickers were you thinking of for the doors?
Locally we have sourced some Hertfordshire logos, like the ones I use on magnetic backing on my doors (I bought a roll of magnetic film of eBay quite cheaply):


Can one buy magnetic aluminium to go with the signs?
:-)

Tony Ferrari
05-03-2010, 08:45 AM
Didn't you know that Land Rover now use magnetic aluminium for their doors ;)














Also known as galvanised steel :D

David Sparkes
05-03-2010, 09:54 AM
'... steel'.
No, I hadn't realised that product degradation had gone so far.

robin-baldwin
05-03-2010, 10:50 AM
'... steel'.
No, I hadn't realised that product degradation had gone so far.


Another circular post

Tony Ferrari
05-03-2010, 12:43 PM
Product degradation?

I think not, the new doors are far superior to the self destructing ones that were fitted for the previous 18 years ;)

David Sparkes
05-03-2010, 01:03 PM
Whatever, taking the subject further doesn't fit in this topic, now we have established that magnetic labels don't suit those of us whose vehicles have aluminium bodyshells.

Patrick Molloy
05-03-2010, 01:23 PM
Fine. However, many of us do have vehicles that can use magnetic labels, and want them to avoid using stick-on graphics, The question was really to do with whether we as a local group should order, or should we get from the national group. I'm sure we'd be happy to follow Tony's lead here.

Tony Ferrari
05-03-2010, 01:24 PM
But if there is anyone who wants magnetic backing for stickers, I got mine from here:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270527005142

Mick Ghost
12-03-2010, 12:49 AM
Have there been any hints from the supplier as to when these will arrive???

BobWessex
12-03-2010, 10:18 AM
Hi Miick, there is a post in the team controllers area asking contrtollers to place an order http://www.4x4response.info/showthread.php?t=1432&highlight=stickers

davemud
12-03-2010, 12:12 PM
Have posted not to southeast committee to see if or how many we are going to order

Thanks davemud

Mick Ghost
13-03-2010, 08:40 AM
Hi Miick, there is a post in the team controllers area asking contrtollers to place an order http://www.4x4response.info/showthread.php?t=1432&highlight=stickers

Unfortunately, I can't see that as I'm not the Team Controller for H&B. Could you PM it to me please???

Simon Bentley
13-03-2010, 11:01 AM
Unfortunately, I can't see that as I'm not the Team Controller for H&B. Could you PM it to me please???

Could you get someone from the committee to contact us then please - stickers will only be made available to groups in bulk not to individual members of groups direct.

Mick Ghost
13-03-2010, 01:05 PM
Will do, but I was the bloke who got the last batch for our group ...

Simon Bentley
13-03-2010, 01:19 PM
Ok fair enough - but it would be nice to hear from someone from your group in the controllers/management and group rep areas sometime.

Mick Ghost
14-03-2010, 02:24 AM
Message passed on ...

Dean - Suffolk
29-06-2010, 09:51 PM
Just dragging this back to life once more.
We would like a batch of these stickers please. Was chatting to our controller at a get together on Saturday who asked me to make enquiries about both these and vehicle ID ones (which we will arrange).
I am the only member of SRR on here I believe, so do I still have to get an adult to sign for me please? ;)

Tony Ferrari
03-07-2010, 07:18 PM
Dean

Possibly some confusion here? What we can supply ARE the vehicle ID ones, like this:

http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t9/MadCowPhotos/National%204x4%20Response%20Network/sticker.jpg

Dean - Suffolk
04-07-2010, 07:58 PM
Yes Tony that's the ones